Guys like you actually concern me because you come across authoritative, when in fact you are jumping all over the place with passages that do not support orthodox doctrine on this subject.

In His goodness,

Jeff

For me if God created Satan, then God is the source of all problem. And therefore God can not claim that He is love and he is not good all the time.

If this is true (it can’t be true) then everything is in contradiction. He can not be a God of wisdom because he created the problem for he himself solves. He threw away the things that he later redeemed.

I believe to what is revealed in Andrew’s writing above because it is consistent with the truth about God.

I don’t believe we are the sons and daughters of a stupid God. That’s just my opinion….

With grace,
Lazarus

54:17 But no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall show to be in the wrong. This [peace, righteousness, security, triumph over opposition] is the heritage of the servants of the Lord [those in whom the ideal Servant of the Lord is reproduced]; this is the righteousness or the vindication which they obtain from Me [this is that which I impart to them as their justification], says the Lord.
Lord says he created him to destroy from the begining.

when you talk of the book of ezekiel 28 which says he was the cherubim in the eden garden it doent mean the eden you now of Adam and eve. if you start reading careful from chapter 16 you will see whom God was talking about, in fact he is talking about dauther of zion (jerusalem) he some times refer him as king of tyre, he was a king not devil. and about the falling of the devil from heavens happened only after birth of Jesus our lord, in the book of reveletion 12: the bible is talking about a woman about to give birth to a child, and the snake(devil) was ther ready to destroy the child once he is born, and this child was the who was to rule the nations with the rod of iron (Jesus) and soon after birth of the baby the bible say he was rapture to heaven in to his seat, and the woman (mary) was taken to the wilderness where God prepared him a place to stay for one thousand two hunders and sixty days which was three and half year which was the time where mary jesus and joseph stayed in egypt till the lord send the angel to tell joseph that they can now go home and fulfill the prophecy of his son came from egypt.
it was then after the birth of jesus in the world which broght salvation made satan to fight with michael and satan was cast out of heaven and his place was found no more,and from it is where Romans 8:1 is fulfilled saying there is now no condemation in christ since devil place to accuse us is not in heaven any more.
that is when he says in the book of hebrew 10:17 He then goes on to say, And their sins and their lawbreaking I will remember no more. because the reminder of sin (devil) has no place in heaven to remind sins.

This is one of those “interesting ones”. I believe satan fell from heaven twice. The first time was when God cast him out (Ezek 28) and the second time he may have been cast out again, but he could probably have fled as well. The Bible does not state in writing that satan was cast out from heaven only at the cross, but thinking in terms of the New Covenant and the atonement that would probably be a good assumption.

However the fact that it is specifically mentioned in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven, suggests that satan, realizing a true SON of God has risen up, probably remembered his place and fled from heaven himself. Jesus said: [Luk 10:18 Luk 10:18 And He said to them, I saw Satan falling out of Heaven as lightning!]. It does not say “I saw satan CAST out of heaven].

Legally I would think that it only became illegal for satan to appear in heaven after the resurrection, but the fact that he already fled in Luke 10 proves just what a coward he really is…

In Grace
Andre

One question…

Was satan not cast out of heaven at the crucifixion?