Comments on: When Did the Old Testament End? (Pt 2) http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/ Boldly proclaiming GRACE to the nations!!! Sun, 05 Feb 2012 06:24:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Becky http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8765 Becky Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:37:36 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-8765 Hebrews 7:22 ..."Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.: Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second." Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah..." Jesus, in His flesh, abolished the Law of commandments Ephesians 2:15 Hebrews 7:22 …”Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.:
Hebrews 8:7 “For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.”
Jeremiah 31:31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…”

Jesus, in His flesh, abolished the Law of commandments Ephesians 2:15

]]> By: Gavin http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5139 Gavin Tue, 04 Jan 2011 16:32:22 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-5139 Hello Andre I have lots of grace and love for you, but I would just like to mention a few things that may be counter, but hopefully helpful as well. I am no theology student but as far as I can remember God made a covenant with his people, not a testament. You are right a testament only comes into effect at death (someones closing "Will and Testament") but a covenant is an agreement. God's covenant with His people Israel was a marriage covenant – an everlasting agreement. I think everlasting means everlasting... I could say more here but I wont. My understanding is that God always had a plan of salvation for the whole world (gentiles included). Israel was meant to be a light to the world. Demonstrating the goodness of God... Then, through the messiah, salvation came. First to the Jew and then to the gentile. We (gentiles) like a wild olive branch, have been grafted into this mature, cultivated, grounded, flourishing olive tree. We should never despise our roots for they nourish us. The Zach prophecy is awesome... I don't know much about it and will study it further. One last closing thought: The New Testament is all just commentary on the Old. Three quaters of the "new" refers to the "old". For me it is one story God is weaving. He has chosen Israel and he wants to redeem the whole world through his son. Thanks for your time. God bless Gavin Hello Andre

I have lots of grace and love for you, but I would just like to mention a few things that may be counter, but hopefully helpful as well.

I am no theology student but as far as I can remember God made a covenant with his people, not a testament. You are right a testament only comes into effect at death (someones closing “Will and Testament”) but a covenant is an agreement. God’s covenant with His people Israel was a marriage covenant – an everlasting agreement. I think everlasting means everlasting… I could say more here but I wont.

My understanding is that God always had a plan of salvation for the whole world (gentiles included). Israel was meant to be a light to the world. Demonstrating the goodness of God…
Then, through the messiah, salvation came. First to the Jew and then to the gentile. We (gentiles) like a wild olive branch, have been grafted into this mature, cultivated, grounded, flourishing olive tree. We should never despise our roots for they nourish us.

The Zach prophecy is awesome… I don’t know much about it and will study it further.

One last closing thought: The New Testament is all just commentary on the Old. Three quaters of the “new” refers to the “old”. For me it is one story God is weaving. He has chosen Israel and he wants to redeem the whole world through his son.

Thanks for your time.

God bless

Gavin

]]> By: Pat Hux http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4871 Pat Hux Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:11:23 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-4871 Great stuff about the stick and the silver. Never heard it before. And I certainly relate to Carol's frustration. What I am finding is that where the Spirit is there is liberty around the person of Jesus - and doctrine fades a bit. The key is that the true liberty of the Spirit must be in that house. If it's not there, the mix of law and grace will be too much to cope with. Pat Great stuff about the stick and the silver. Never heard it before. And I certainly relate to Carol’s frustration. What I am finding is that where the Spirit is there is liberty around the person of Jesus – and doctrine fades a bit. The key is that the true liberty of the Spirit must be in that house. If it’s not there, the mix of law and grace will be too much to cope with.

Pat

]]> By: Andre van der Merwe http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2583 Andre van der Merwe Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:14:18 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-2583 Hi Carol And you think you are battling?? Haa-haaa! In most places people who preach this sort of stuff get kicked out, and mostly by leaders who preach the Law, or a mixture of Law and Grace. But by the Grace of God a generation is rising up with the truth in hand Carol. We've been blessed to have seen this wave of Grace rise steadily over the planet the past few years. Legalism is being challenged greatly! Where are you based? Perhaps I could ask around for you? In Grace Andre Hi Carol

And you think you are battling?? Haa-haaa! In most places people who preach this sort of stuff get kicked out, and mostly by leaders who preach the Law, or a mixture of Law and Grace.

But by the Grace of God a generation is rising up with the truth in hand Carol. We’ve been blessed to have seen this wave of Grace rise steadily over the planet the past few years. Legalism is being challenged greatly!

Where are you based? Perhaps I could ask around for you?

In Grace
Andre

]]> By: Carol http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2551 Carol Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:57:46 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-2551 This is my first comment; I just discovered this site and it is in line with many thoughts I've had regarding scripture interpretation. My question is..." So now where does one attend church?" The churches for the most part aren't in line with these teachings. It's difficult to sit in a church service or Bible study and hear a teaching that seems to be contrary to the Word of God. Usually, I would be the only person thinking something different than what's being taught. No one else disagrees. So you see, there's really nowhere to attend church in our areas after we grasp the truth. This is my first comment; I just discovered this site and it is in line with many thoughts I’ve had regarding scripture interpretation. My question is…” So now where does one attend church?” The churches for the most part aren’t in line with these teachings. It’s difficult to sit in a church service or Bible study and hear a teaching that seems to be contrary to the Word of God. Usually, I would be the only person thinking something different than what’s being taught. No one else disagrees. So you see, there’s really nowhere to attend church in our areas after we grasp the truth.

]]> By: Richard http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1452 Richard Sun, 02 May 2010 21:25:07 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-1452 Thank you so much Andre, this is so awesome, Im so full I cant explain it. Its beautiful, THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much Andre, this is so awesome, Im so full I cant explain it. Its beautiful, THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Cornel http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1382 Cornel Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:08:24 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-1382 Wow, awesome parallel Andre! What you said in the start also makes an interesting answer to the commonly asked question: "Why did Jesus have to die?" Yes your sins were forgiven through His death, but that was not the main reason. Forgiveness is a by-product of His death. He died so the Old Covenant could be canceled, and so that the New Covenant could be instituted. That was the real reason for His death! Thank you Jesus for the New Covenant! Cornel www.charismaministries.org Wow, awesome parallel Andre! What you said in the start also makes an interesting answer to the commonly asked question: “Why did Jesus have to die?” Yes your sins were forgiven through His death, but that was not the main reason. Forgiveness is a by-product of His death. He died so the Old Covenant could be canceled, and so that the New Covenant could be instituted. That was the real reason for His death!

Thank you Jesus for the New Covenant!

Cornel
http://www.charismaministries.org

]]> By: June Melanson http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/old-testament-end-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1381 June Melanson Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:39:11 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=827#comment-1381 I so enjoyed reading this. I so clearly saw that under the old, the gentiles were not included in anything God was doing....they were not under law, nor was anything expected from them. Yet, under the New Testament, God in His love included us, allowing us all to become His children. Thank you for the clear understanding about the two staffs...favor and unity. One question that lingers in my mind....even before reading this article is this, what happened to all the gentiles who died before the New Covenant came into effect? I've always wondered that. Are they all just lost for eternity? I so enjoyed reading this. I so clearly saw that under the old, the gentiles were not included in anything God was doing….they were not under law, nor was anything expected from them. Yet, under the New Testament, God in His love included us, allowing us all to become His children. Thank you for the clear understanding about the two staffs…favor and unity. One question that lingers in my mind….even before reading this article is this, what happened to all the gentiles who died before the New Covenant came into effect? I’ve always wondered that. Are they all just lost for eternity?

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