Comments on: Did Jesus End the Law or Not? (Let’s Settle This!!) http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/ Boldly proclaiming GRACE to the nations!!! Sun, 05 Feb 2012 06:24:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeremy Penwarden http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-29000 Jeremy Penwarden Thu, 03 Nov 2011 08:08:19 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-29000 Dear Hamid Let's say you're right about keeping the Sabbath. Can you tell me when you observe your Sabbath and what restrictions you follow on that day? Best wishes Jeremy Dear Hamid
Let’s say you’re right about keeping the Sabbath. Can you tell me when you observe your Sabbath and what restrictions you follow on that day?

Best wishes
Jeremy

]]> By: Andre van der Merwe http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28985 Andre van der Merwe Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:38:59 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-28985 Dear Hamid You cannot choose to obey certain of the Old Testament commands and others not. If you want to live under the law, you have to obey EVERY single command. There was a total of 614 commands given to Israel from Exodus 20 to the end of Deuteronomy and you will have to obey every single one PERFECTLY for the rest of your life if you want God to bless you. Jam 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. On the other hand, when you realise that you a free from the law, you will see that you are free from the ENTIRE law, and free to now serve God in love and come to Him BOLDLY without any fear. 1John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has torment. He who fears has not been perfected in love. Dear Hamid

You cannot choose to obey certain of the Old Testament commands and others not. If you want to live under the law, you have to obey EVERY single command. There was a total of 614 commands given to Israel from Exodus 20 to the end of Deuteronomy and you will have to obey every single one PERFECTLY for the rest of your life if you want God to bless you.

Jam 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

On the other hand, when you realise that you a free from the law, you will see that you are free from the ENTIRE law, and free to now serve God in love and come to Him BOLDLY without any fear.

1John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has torment. He who fears has not been perfected in love.

]]> By: hamid http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-28707 hamid Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:58:04 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-28707 what are the implications of the end to the law ? we cannot say that we are free from our obligation to obey the sabbath as it is the fourth commandment. i distinguish a law from a commandment. are we free to eat pork ? our preacher preaches that as long as he blesses his food he is free to eat whatever he likes, and moreover, i am not to call it unclean. my take on that is that if it is alive and running around, all the more power to it, but i don't have to pray over it or eat it. matter of fact, i won't eat it, nor will i eat fried chicken, or beef, or fish. i'm a vegetarian, and a conservationist. and i am still maintaining my high school weight through my forties. i can't say that about any of the other members of our congregation. the caveat with the end to the law has to do with tithes. although the preacher will stand at the pulpit and bless the pork chops and fried chicken, he won't come out and admit that the ten percent is part of the law that Christ did away with. he's still standing at the pulpit telling us about our obligatory ten percent, which i think is just outright specious. and a mistake. more than this, we are free to donate to whichever charity we want. peta is a good one, but i will give mine to sea shepherd, as my perception is that they are doing the best they can to protect a little piece of the earth from greedy unscrupulous hypocrites. matter of fact, Jesus preached "render therefore unto caesar the things which are caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" what he was saying is that it's ok to give the government tax money, but give your soul to God. he never told them to give the money to him. very truly your, hamid mazuji shiloh missionary baptist church tavares, florida what are the implications of the end to the law ? we cannot say that we are free from our obligation to obey the sabbath as it is the fourth commandment. i distinguish a law from a commandment.
are we free to eat pork ? our preacher preaches that as long as he blesses his food he is free to eat whatever he likes, and moreover, i am not to call it unclean.
my take on that is that if it is alive and running around, all the more power to it, but i don’t have to pray over it or eat it. matter of fact, i won’t eat it, nor will i eat fried chicken, or beef, or fish. i’m a vegetarian, and a conservationist. and i am still maintaining my high school weight through my forties. i can’t say that about any of the other members of our congregation.
the caveat with the end to the law has to do with tithes. although the preacher will stand at the pulpit and bless the pork chops and fried chicken, he won’t come out and admit that the ten percent is part of the law that Christ did away with. he’s still standing at the pulpit telling us about our obligatory ten percent, which i think is just outright specious. and a mistake. more than this, we are free to donate to whichever charity we want. peta is a good one, but i will give mine to sea shepherd, as my perception is that they are doing the best they can to protect a little piece of the earth from greedy unscrupulous hypocrites.
matter of fact, Jesus preached “render therefore unto caesar the things which are caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s” what he was saying is that it’s ok to give the government tax money, but give your soul to God. he never told them to give the money to him.

very truly your,
hamid mazuji
shiloh missionary baptist church
tavares, florida

]]> By: Juda http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-14733 Juda Tue, 03 May 2011 18:07:05 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-14733 Love your teaching been studying this subject for a couple of weeks now and I have found nothing more precious than living by the Spirit instead of the righteousness of the law. I pray that the Lord may reveal this to His church in these tough times. Love your teaching been studying this subject for a couple of weeks now and I have found nothing more precious than living by the Spirit instead of the righteousness of the law. I pray that the Lord may reveal this to His church in these tough times.

]]> By: Pastor Ceasar http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-10699 Pastor Ceasar Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:43:09 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-10699 Thank you very much for the word of the kingdom Ande, infact Christ is the end of the law to those who believe,when we talk about methew 5:17, he came to fillfull the law and the prophecies, if you open your bible in the book of Luke 24:44 juses is speaking to his diciples that all things writen in the book of the law, prophets and psalms are filled. 24:44 Then He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you: everything which is written concerning Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. this means as he said in methew 5:17 he said he came to fillfull the law. in the book of act 13:28-29 13:28 And although they could find no cause deserving death with which to charge Him, yet they asked Pilate to have Him executed and put out of the way. 13:29 And when they had finished and fulfilled everything that was written about Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. so evrything of the law was fulfilled as he said by hanging hing on the cross and took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. so brother let us not be entangled by yok of slaverly again as we are born of God. Thank you very much for the word of the kingdom Ande, infact Christ is the end of the law to those who believe,when we talk about methew 5:17, he came to fillfull the law and the prophecies, if you open your bible in the book of Luke 24:44 juses is speaking to his diciples that all things writen in the book of the law, prophets and psalms are filled.
24:44 Then He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you: everything which is written concerning Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. this means as he said in methew 5:17 he said he came to fillfull the law.
in the book of act 13:28-29
13:28 And although they could find no cause deserving death with which to charge Him, yet they asked Pilate to have Him executed and put out of the way.

13:29 And when they had finished and fulfilled everything that was written about Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb.
so evrything of the law was fulfilled as he said by hanging hing on the cross and took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.
so brother let us not be entangled by yok of slaverly again as we are born of God.

]]> By: jeremy penwarden http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-4781 jeremy penwarden Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:44:44 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-4781 Jesus' last words were 'it is finished'. I suspect He was remembering MAT 15:18 when He said it. Jesus’ last words were ‘it is finished’. I suspect He was remembering MAT 15:18 when He said it.

]]> By: Corma http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-4780 Corma Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:44:33 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-4780 Thanks for putting this out there. It is everything I believe and know to be true. Bless you! Thanks for putting this out there. It is everything I believe and know to be true. Bless you!

]]> By: Andre van der Merwe http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-4754 Andre van der Merwe Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:43:18 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-4754 Hi Jamie The answer is found a few verses later (see especially verse 4 and verse 6) [Rom 7:1 Or are you ignorant, brothers; for I speak to those who know the Law; that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress by becoming another man's wife. 4 So, my brothers, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ so that you should be married to Another, even to Him raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin worked in our members through the law to bring forth fruit to death. 6 But now we having been set free from the Law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of the letter] (MKJV). Rom 6 tells us that we DIE with Christ the day we become born again. Our old sinful nature is crucified with Him. We therefore die to the Law with it's constant demands of "right living". We are then married to our new husband: Jesus Christ. This implies that if we try to go back to the old husband (the Law) after being married to Christ, we are actually committing spiritual adultary. In Grace Andre Hi Jamie

The answer is found a few verses later (see especially verse 4 and verse 6)

[Rom 7:1 Or are you ignorant, brothers; for I speak to those who know the Law; that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress by becoming another man's wife. 4 So, my brothers, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ so that you should be married to Another, even to Him raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin worked in our members through the law to bring forth fruit to death. 6 But now we having been set free from the Law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of the letter] (MKJV).

Rom 6 tells us that we DIE with Christ the day we become born again. Our old sinful nature is crucified with Him. We therefore die to the Law with it’s constant demands of “right living”. We are then married to our new husband: Jesus Christ.

This implies that if we try to go back to the old husband (the Law) after being married to Christ, we are actually committing spiritual adultary.

In Grace
Andre

]]> By: jamie http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-4751 jamie Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:44:07 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-4751 Thank you very much for your insight and foresight it's inspiring. I just have one question that i think I may have the answer to but would like your opinion nonetheless:) Do you think his question is contradictory to what you have stated above? Rom 7:1 Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth? Thank you very much for your insight and foresight it’s inspiring.
I just have one question that i think I may have the answer to but would like your opinion nonetheless:) Do you think his question is contradictory to what you have stated above?
Rom 7:1 Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth?

]]> By: Bible Study Boy http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/jesus-end-law/comment-page-1/#comment-3243 Bible Study Boy Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:54:44 +0000 http://www.newcovenantgrace.com/?p=646#comment-3243 The righteousness of the law is fulfilled through faith in Christ by walking after the spirit, and not after the flesh. The bible tells us if we love God we will keep his commandments. This is his commandment, that we believe upon Jesus and love one another as we love ourself. I, too, don't understand why so many seek to please God with their own works of righteousness in the flesh through natural wisdom and understanding. We cannot possibly please God in the flesh. Without faith, it is impossible to please him. The law indeed is fulfilled in Christ, not by our own works of righteousness in the flesh, but through faith in the son of God. We must all study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Here is a great <a href="http://www.spiritualbiblestudy.com" rel="nofollow">bible study</a> website that unlocks the hidden, spiritual wisdom of the word of God. The righteousness of the law is fulfilled through faith in Christ by walking after the spirit, and not after the flesh. The bible tells us if we love God we will keep his commandments. This is his commandment, that we believe upon Jesus and love one another as we love ourself. I, too, don’t understand why so many seek to please God with their own works of righteousness in the flesh through natural wisdom and understanding. We cannot possibly please God in the flesh. Without faith, it is impossible to please him. The law indeed is fulfilled in Christ, not by our own works of righteousness in the flesh, but through faith in the son of God. We must all study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Here is a great bible study website that unlocks the hidden, spiritual wisdom of the word of God.

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